Recent Crap Update – Sock Puppetry Of The Dick

    Starring  fig367  As  dunravin2002  The Sock Puppet

fig367/dunravin2002 - The Sock Puppet

My thanks to  Durova  who is the copyright holder of this image,  and who has graciously made it available under the Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike 3.0 license.

A Potted History

The Original Sequence Of Events
The original sequence of events went something like this.

  1. I submitted a post to the bdsmireland-personals yahoo group, which I’d taken extra special care to compose in respectful, warm, friendly tones.
  2. That post was moderated by  fig367,  the moderator who has been primarily responsible for moderating many of my posts over the years.
  3. Both  fig367‘s  original and subsequent reasons given for the moderation were more incomprehensible than usual.
  4. I first published my blog post about it, and received an aggressively worded, hugely long comment from an individual identifying himself as  dunravin2002.
  5. I published an update to my post, including my awareness that  dunravin2002  was  fig367‘s  sock puppet.
  6. After publishing the update, I received an even more aggressive, lengthy email from  fig367/dunravin2002,  but to date have received no response from  fig367  to my second query about my moderated post.

Original Objectives
My original objectives were  (and still are)

  • to share my experiences of the double standard applied to post moderation in bdsmireland and bdsmireland-personals
  • to make the unwritten rules of those yahoo groups more visible
  • to make the moderators’ behaviour more visible to others
  • to possibly  (but I wasn’t optimistic about this)  get a re-evaluation of the decision to moderate my original post  (and/or possibly future ones)

Working Stuff Out
I realised with sudden clarity that  fig367/dunravin2002  was trolling.

With that in mind, I looked over the comment and email again, and I saw that  fig367/dunravin2002  was essentially using only three basic arguing strategies, all of which shared many common features.

  • all were either personal attacks, straw men, or red herrings
  • all were distracting me from both my objectives and  fig367/dunravin2002‘s  behaviour
  • all were absolutely irrelevant to  fig367/dunravin2002‘s  original moderation of my post


A Note About The Sock Puppet Trolling Strategy

In both the comment and email,  fig367/dunravin2002  primarily utilised three different strategies, the straw man, the ad hominem, and the red herring.

All three are logical fallacies.

  • The  straw man  is a logical fallacy in which an argument is based entirely on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position.   It may contain valid logical statements, but since only the misrepresentation is being argued, the opponent’s position remains unchallenged.

  • The  ad hominem  is a logical fallacy in which an argument is based solely on the personal demerits of the opponent and the opponent’s cited sources.   However valid the asserted personal demerits may be, they do not challenge the logical merits of the opponent’s position.

  • A  red herring  is a responding argument which may itself be valid, but which deliberately sidesteps and disregards the original issue in an attempt to change the subject or divert the argument.

      One variant of the red herring is the  argumentum ad populum  (Latin: “appeal to the people”),  which is an argument based entirely on the fallacious premise that a proposition is true solely because many people believe it to be true.

I’ll be referring back to these from time to time as they arise.   Any links within each quoted portion will link back here to show which logical fallacy is being used.

If for whatever reason anybody would like to read  fig367/dunravin2002‘s  comment and email in their original format, there is a link down the bottom of this post so you can view them in full.

And now,  fig367/dunravin2002‘s  comment and his subsequent email.

The Comment
1.   Bait And A New Rule Just For Me


Yes, he was looking for guys, yes, I am a woman, and yes, my insights may well be of questionable value.   Fine.   And I’m sure that posting that text would indeed have been helpful,  fig367/dunravin2002.  

However, I couldn’t find any group rules governing the standards of insights, and I wouldn’t want to be held responsible for putting you in the rather unfortunate position of being oh-so-reluctantly forced to ban me from the group, just for following your advice and publishing another member’s message without their permission.

Since many threads have already been published containing many insights of variable merit, would you please review your decision to moderate my post in the bdsmireland-personals yahoo group now?

2.   Fragile Sensitive Creatures


Fine, your personal slights notwithstanding, what does any of that have to do with my post which you moderated?   My recent post wasn’t condescending or patronising.

I get that you haven’t liked my previous posts.   You dealt with them at the time.   You moderated them.   It’s done, move on.   Are you trying to say that you moderated this post simply because in the past I’d written others you didn’t like?   Is every future post of mine going to be moderated because I’d already done some you didn’t like in the past?

You know,  fig367/dunravin2002,  in future I will do my best to appreciate how much courage it takes for a fragile, sensitive creature to bare his deepest, darkest desires by posting something along the lines of:

    im a nice guy, i want 2 b tied up+ spanked otk. fuck me hard in my man pussy with ur big hard cock+make me drink my own cum. no pro dommes.

    where are all the true Dominate ladies? cum on, u know u want 2, why won’t u mail me?? ur all fakes + wannabes.

Yes indeed, shame on me for thinking that posts like this are  a self-absorbed demand to get their rocks off  anything other than a fragile, sensitive creature’s bona fide open and honest attempt to connect with others.

3.   More New Rules Just For Me


Attacking me here and now for my alleged offenses committed elsewhere in the past is pointless and irrelevant.   If you want to address any actual specific offenses I committed in bdsmireland or bdsmireland-personals, then please name them and address them at the time they occur in the appropriate manner.   What am I supposed to do about them now?   And this is related to your moderation of my post  how,  exactly?

You know, having carefully reviewed the rules of bdsmireland-personals, I could not find any stipulations such as you mentioned which strictly limit posts to personal ads and directly dating-related responses to those ads.   Obviously I cannot follow rules which I don’t know about.  
I did find

So I can only conclude that you,  fig367/dunravin2002,  have invented that rule for me alone.
Since my post is within the bounds of the specified rules which are applied to  everybody else,  please allow it.

Straw Man Alert, Nee Nah Nee Nah

I was first alerted to  fig367/dunravin2002‘s  use of the straw man fallacy by his extensive use of it in this next section.  

In this section,  fig367/dunravin2002  misrepresents me  as if  I had been against moderation in general.   Since my issue was never moderation in general, this is not only a straw man, but also a red herring.  

And so  fig367/dunravin2002  disregards my query about moderating my post using unwritten rules nobody else is expected to follow, whilst at the same time he attacks me for a position I never adopted.

(I’ll deal with his trolling, sock puppeting, and personal attacking practices later)

4.   The Straw Man – Moderation And Pretty Table


Blah, blah, blah.  

Please allow my post which you moderated, and all of my future posts which are within the actual, stated rules already,  fig367/dunravin2002.   And please leave the done and dusted ones alone.   You haven’t mentioned a single specific offense which I can address.   So what the fuck am I supposed to do about it?   You made a mistake moderating my recent post.   I called you on it.   Big deal.

Speaking of spewing disinformation, for the record, 6 of the 12 listed moderators of bdsmireland have been inactive for some years, leaving a total of just 6 active moderators at the moment.   Furthermore, with regard to my post in bdsmireland-personals, the only active moderators of bdsmireland-personals are you and kahli.   So your position  (such as it is)  is unsupported by numbers,  fig367/dunravin2002.

I’m pointing this out for the record.
My blog is not a yahoo group,  fig367/dunravin2002.   Just in case you truly aren’t aware of the difference between a blog and a yahoo group community, I will spell it out for you.

Look, I made this pretty table for you,  fig367/dunravin2002,  so you can have a better chance of understanding the difference between a blog and a yahoo group community.

How My Blog Is Different To A Yahoo Group
And Why That Is Important
bdsmireland Yahoo Groups My Blog
The yahoo groups known as bdsmireland and bdsmireland-personals are  groups for the purpose of providing a community space. I am one individual.   My blog is my  personal space.
Those groups have a community membership of thousands, and moderators are required to manage the participation of that membership. I have no community membership to manage, and therefore no need of moderators to manage it.
People are attracted to the groups because they advertise and promote the facility to connect BDSM people to each other. People are attracted to my blog  solely  because they wish to read what I have to say.   I advertise and promote nothing else  –  no community participation, no community facilities of any kind.
People join those groups specifically so they can participate in those communities and connect with other BDSM people. People read what I write because they choose to do so.   Their decision to comment is unrelated to community participation.   Nearly every comment is addressed to me personally.
Those groups remain alive and carry on  solely  thanks to member contributions. I started my blog  by myself,  and continue it  by myself.   I am the sole contributor to my blog, and I am the  only  one who keeps it going.
If every moderator of those groups vanished tomorrow, the groups could easily carry on because of the active participation of the remaining membership. If I vanished tomorrow at noon, my blog would cease updating tomorrow at noon.
Moderators can and often do impose limits on how group members may participate and interact with others within those groups.   Moderator decisions directly affect thousands of group members. My decisions which I implement on my blog  affect only myself and my blog.   My decisions have no impact on any individual’s interactions with others.

There, all clear now?  

I really hope you can process this information,  fig367/dunravin2002.   I really don’t want to hear any more about how me moderating you on my blog is the same as you silencing members for your personal reasons in your yahoo group.

5.   If A Fact Is Unpleasant, It Must Have Been Invented


Ok, you know, this is  still  irrelevant to my post which you moderated,  fig367/dunravin2002.
(please don’t ask me to tell you about the bit I edited out from here with the hermaphrodite newsreading tuna sandwich in it)

6.   Phew, The Sock Puppet Concludes


Um, I’m still waiting for you to address that post of mine which you erroneously moderated,  fig367/dunravin2002.

I dealt with this in my previous post already.

Chronology Check

So I published my other post, and got the above  snarkfest  comment after my first update.  

I then published my second update, in which I mentioned the above  trollage  comment, included a few brief responses to it, and mentioned my awareness that  fig367/dunravin2002  were the same person.  

I then received the email below.

The Email
1.   The Gospel According To Sock Puppet


Right, more attacking, blaming, fine, I suck, my judgement sucks, whatever.   Now,  fig367/dunravin2002,  can we ever get to that that post of mine you moderated, please?   Everything else is just irrelevant red herrings, straw men, personal attacks, and hyperbole.

If you,  fig367/dunravin2002,  are happy to accept anything a sock puppet says when he refuses to identify himself, then good luck with that.   Who you are may well be unimportant  to you.   Unfortunately, before I will trust anything  a sock puppet  an individual says, I need just the teensiest bit more than that.

2.   The Sock Puppet Says I’m Wrong So It Must Be True


Fine, I’m wrong, I suck, whatever.   Before I start laughing my head off, I’m just going to remind you  again,   fig367/dunravin2002,  that my issue is with my post which you moderated,  which you have yet to address.   So the accusations and threats of not taking me seriously and me looking ridiculous are completely irrelevant.

    Either prove you’re a unique separate, non-sock-puppet individual and identify yourself, or  shut the fuck up.

Is this really the best you can do?   No facts, no evidence, no proof of any kind, just “you’re wrong”?

Now for the laughing part.

Two words  –  R-u-b-b-e-r   C-h-i-c-k-e-n.

It seems obvious to me that it’s  waaayyyy  too late for me to start worrying about being taken seriously and looking ridiculous  now.   :)

Actually, if you like ridiculous, I’m laughing right now at a grown man playing with sock puppets.

Tag, you’re it.

3.   The Sock Puppet Rants


Attacking and name calling me are  still  irrelevant and unrelated to my post which you erroneously moderated.

For your information, I refer your attention to the table explaining how a blog is a completely different entity to a yahoo group, and the stuff about privacy which I published before you sent me this  drivel  message.

4.   And Now It’s Time For … What’s… That… Lie!!


And now, brought to you by the  fig367/dunravin2002  sock puppet…

Let’s play…  “What’s… That… Lie!!”  


Lady Lubyanka, you risk losing all your credibility!   But you can keep your credibility  (under false pretenses)  and a whole lot more, for as long as you are willing to perpetrate a great, big, fat, whopping  lie  to everybody on the planet!

All you have to do is  lie,  and your false credibility as well as our fabulous mystery prize can be yours!


And tonight’s great, big, fat, whopping  lie  is …

    … that  dunravin2002  isn’t  fig367‘s  sock puppet!  



Lady Lubyanka, for your false credibility as well as tonight’s fabulous mystery prize behind Door Number 2, are you willing to take the  lie  challenge?

    *clock ticking*

Whilst you decide, our lovely Joelene-Patricia will show you our grand prize behind Door Number 2.

    *light music*

Thank you Bob.   Tonight, Lady Lubyanka will be  lying  for our star prize behind Door Number 2!   And tonight’s fabulous mystery star prize is…  
*drumroll*   [spokesmodel gestures]

    “somewhat civillised discourse” …
    with the  fig367/dunravin2002  sock puppet!!
    *applause*   *music fades*   *clock ticking concludes with a  ping*

Well Lady Lubyanka, have you decided?   What’s it going to be?

You know Bob, as tempting as it is to  lie  for that prize …   As difficult as it was trying to imagine moving on with my life without  lying …   And as much as I love the idea of keeping my credibility under false pretenses …  

But on the other hand considering that both the  lie  and the prize are  totally irrelevant  to the sock puppet’s moderation of my post …  

… I think I’m just going to stick with honesty, Bob.


Thank you so much for playing  “What’s… That… Lie!!”  Lady Lubyanka.  

[turns to audience]  Well, unfortunately Lady Lubyanka couldn’t  lie  for us this week.   Tune in next time for yet more  lies,  and even more fabulous prizes!   Thanks to all of you here in the studio, and all our viewers at home for watching, til next time, byebye!

    *applause   … fades out*


5.   The Sock Puppet Ends On His High Horse



I’m so disappointed that you never got round to mentioning my post which you erroneously moderated,  fig367/dunravin2002!   That was all I originally wanted, and all I’m still looking for from you.

Even a reason which fits the circumstances and the rules would be nice.

Wrap Upness And Endingosity

I know that  fig367/dunravin2002  is in all likelihood going to try to counter this post by attacking me and blaming me for doing this or that or the other thing.
I also know that however hard  fig367/dunravin2002  works to make my life difficult, I will continue to speak out.   Any further hassle I get from  fig367/dunravin2002  will be posted here.
The reason I am bothering to publish all of this is so that everybody can see

I mean, I queried my fucking moderated post for fuck’s sake.   Honestly, if you think about it, was the response I got actually proportional to that?   Was it proportional for a group moderator to hide behind his sock puppet, troll my blog and spew vitriol at me for querying his royal moderatoriness’ decision?

    Was it?!

Remember that I waited before publishing my first post on this blog.   There was  ample  opportunity to sort this out before these posts were published.   If I’d had the least bit of rational response, and if this hadn’t happened so very many times before, then these posts could never have been written.

And then I speak out about this and all the shit in the world hits the fan.   The whole world marginalises us enough as it is.   It just seems stupid, pointless, and harmful to marginalise ourselves further.   So I won’t be backing down anytime soon.

Entirely thanks to you, my lovely, lovely readers, I have a voice now, a voice I can use to express myself, a voice which  can  make a difference.   And I can say it all here, in a place  those people can’t touch.   And entirely thanks to you, I’m going to make the best use of it I can.

You’ve given me my voice.   I will do my best to honour your gift.

From the bottom of my heart, I thank you all.   :)


About Lady Lubyanka

I am a 45 year old musician, and also a multisexual, polyamourous, Jewish, socially dominant woman within my romantic BDSM relationships.
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