Moderator Mails – Part The Second

 

Indexathon Two   (continued from Part The First)
 
From  valpone_a,  23 March
Commentary
From me, 24 March
From  valpone_a,  24 March
From me, 25 March
From  valpone_a,  25 March
Commentary
From  fig367,  1 April
Commentary
From  valpone_a,  6 April
Commentary
From  valpone_a,  6 April, second message
From  fig367,  19 April
From me, 20 April
From  valpone_a,  20 April
Commentary
From  fig367,  21 April
From me, 21 April
From  fig367,  22 April
Commentary

 

 

Ten days after being advised that I was welcome at Nimhneach on 14 March, without any warning or advance notice or anything, this arrived.

 

 
From:   Valpone
Subject:   Ref: BDSM Ireland Request
Date:   23 March 2009 21:17:22 GMT
To:   Lubyanka
Cc:   bdsmireland-owner@yahoogroups.com
 
Hello Lubyanka

I am back from my vacation and with net access once more.   I was disappointed that you had not contacted me with any questions you may have regarding my request for your graceful departure from the BDSM Ireland Yahoo Group.   Alas it is a sad situation when you can find the time to speculate in your blog but not feel able to contact me directly.

With this in mind and after again checking out your blog, I have come to conclusion that you have no interest in direct contact with me and your intention is to use this as a public “cause celebre”.   Unfortunately the conspiracy theory you seem to have woven can not be resolved to your satisfaction as like so many conspiracy theories it will have a dynamic of its own.

With regret I will be removing you from the BDSM Ireland Yahoo Group as I’m under the impression that this would be best for you and us.   Your current fixation as well as general unhappiness with the group would best be served by this course of action.

I wish you well with your new group and the future.

Regards

Valpone

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As I have said before, I wish to state for the record that not one moderator has  ever  contacted me to discuss or negotiate  anything  at all  (even though their new rules state that their policy is to do so).   I was  never  presented with one  single  rule or policy which I was supposed to have transgressed.   And aside from having my bdsmireland posts moderated, I was never asked to modify my behaviour in any way.
 
How is that supposed to be respect and support for negotiation?
 
After receiving the above email, I thought it was worth checking again whether any similar sanctions were going to be imposed upon me at Nimhneach, since the same people run both organisations.   So I sent the following message to find out.

 
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From:   Lubyanka
Subject:   Nimhneach
Date:   24 March 2009 20:24:48 GMT
To:   bdsmireland-owner@yahoogroups.com
Cc:   fetish@fetish.ie
 
Please confirm if the sanctions you have implemented against me apply to Nimhneach. Will I be welcome at Nimhneach in future?

Lady Lubyanka’s blogfestness
Food, Flogging, and Rubber Chickens
(celebrating the spleen)
featuring Irving as the rubber chicken
http://ladylubyanka.wordpress.com/

Any messages sent to me may be published on my blog.

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From:   Valpone
Subject:   Re: Nimhneach
Date:   24 March 2009 22:46:52 GMT
To:   Lubyanka
Cc:   fetish@fetish.ie, bdsmireland-owner@yahoogroups.com
 
Hello Lubyanka

As you are aware BDSM Ireland does not organise Nimhneach and is not party to their door policy. Would you in future correspond with them directly rather than copying them in to your e-mails.

Thank you in advance for your understanding.

Regards

Valpone

— On Tuesday, 24 March, 2009, 20:24 GMT, Lubyanka wrote:

Please confirm if the sanctions you have implemented against me apply to Nimhneach. Will I be welcome at Nimhneach in future?

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From:   Lubyanka
Subject:   Nimhneach
Date:   25 March 2009 10:58:30 GMT
To:   Fig, fetish@fetish.ie
Cc:   bdsmireland-owner@yahoogroups.com
 
Since it appears that my previous mail may have gone astray, I will try again.

Please confirm if the sanctions you have implemented against me apply to Nimhneach. Will I be welcome at Nimhneach in future?

Lady Lubyanka’s blogfestness
Food, Flogging, and Rubber Chickens
(celebrating the spleen)
featuring Irving as the rubber chicken
http://ladylubyanka.wordpress.com/

Any messages sent to me may be published on my blog.

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From:   Valpone
Subject:   Re: Nimhneach
Date:   25 March 2009 13:14:29 GMT
To:   Fig, fetish@fetish.ie, Lubyanka
 
Hello Lubyanka

Would it be possible for you to not include BDSM Ireland in your e-mail correspondence regarding Nimhneach events in Ireland. As you are aware we as a Group do not have any responsibility for this event. Your e-mails would be best addressed directly to those concerned.

Regards

Valpone

— On Wednesday, 25 March, 2009, 10:58 GMT, Lubyanka wrote:

Since it appears that my previous mail may have gone astray, I will try again.

Please confirm if the sanctions you have implemented against me apply to Nimhneach. Will I be welcome at Nimhneach in future?

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fig367  didn’t reply, so after a week on 31 March, I posted about it indicating that unless I heard from him, I would assume I was welcome.

True to form,  fig367  replied after I posted.   Of course, he wasn’t actually using his own name, but then again, that is also true to form.

I knew something was up because the language was just too evasive to be straightforward.

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From:   nimhneach <nimhneach@hushmail.com>
Subject:   Re: Nimhneach
Date:   1 April 2009 19:12:59 IST
To:   Lubyanka
 
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Hi.

You are receiving this email as the Nimhneach response in regards
to attendance at our event.

All guests, who have not been previously informed otherwise, may
gain entry to the next event on meeting the appropriate dress code.
The guidelines for the club are on our website at www.nimhneach.ie

Regards,

Nimhneach.

On Wednesday, 25 March 2009 10:58:30 GMT, Lubyanka wrote:

Since it appears that my previous mail may have gone astray, I will try again.

Please confirm if the sanctions you have implemented against me apply to Nimhneach.   Will I be welcome at Nimhneach in future?

 
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Two and a half weeks after that, this message arrived.   There were a few odd-looking headers in the following message which lead me to believe that this message was sent to me intentionally.   None of these headers were present in  valpone_a’s  prior emails to me.
 
Readnotify.com is an email tracking service.   Why  valpone_a  felt the need to track his bogus email to me I just don’t know.   Whatever.
 
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Resent-From:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].cwavlwrdrvjlgpi.emsvr.com
From:   Valpone
Subject:   Lunch Saturday 25
Date:   6 April 2009 14:38:49 IST
To:   Lubyanka
 
Disposition-Notification-To:   “them” <valpone_a@[emaildomain].cwavlwrdrvjlgph.emsvr.com>
X-Confirm-Reading-To:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].cwavlwrdrvjlgph.emsvr.com
Return-Receipt-To:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].cwavlwrdrvjlgph.emsvr.com
Notice-Requested-Upon-Delivery-To:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].cwavlwrdrvjlgpi.emsvr.com
Errors-To:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].cwavlwrdrvjlgpi.emsvr.com
X-Read-Notification:   Courtesy of ReadNotify.com – http://www.8lvxtadjn2avp1.ReadNotify.com
 
Hi

Just picked up your message on my phone and I’m glad to hear your visiting Amsterdam. Been long time no see and we have a lot to chat about. Its a great time to visit as most of the place will be Orange, there getting ready to start Queens Days celebrations at the end of this month so even happier your still going to be around then. Lots of street parties, markets and drunken Dutch. Will drop a better e-mail later just in a mad rush today.

V

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The contents of the message clearly indicate that  valpone_a  is resident in Amsterdam.   So why have people moderate bdsmireland if they live far away from Ireland?   And why assign one of those specifically to me?
 
But wait, there’s more!   The following message had more of these tracking headers.   Perhaps this was  valpone_a’s  effort to try again after his first attempt didn’t work.
 
So, half an hour later …

 

 
Resent-From:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].nyjcmameltwcenk.emsvr.com
From:   Valpone
Subject:   Re: Lunch Saturday 25
Date:   6 April 2009 15:04:11 IST
To:   Lubyanka
 
Disposition-Notification-To:   “them” <valpone_a@[emaildomain].nyjcmameltwcena.emsvr.com>
X-Confirm-Reading-To:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].nyjcmameltwcena.emsvr.com
Return-Receipt-To:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].nyjcmameltwcena.emsvr.com
Notice-Requested-Upon-Delivery-To:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].nyjcmameltwcenk.emsvr.com
Errors-To:   valpone_a@[emaildomain].nyjcmameltwcenk.emsvr.com
X-Read-Notification:   Courtesy of ReadNotify.com – http://www.fs9gpl72hpy5e1.ReadNotify.com
 
Hello Lubyanka

Sorry just realised I sent this to the wrong person. Apologies for disturbing you please ignore my last e-mail.

Regards

Valpone

— On Monday, 6 April, 2009, 2:38 GMT, Valpone wrote:

Hi

Just picked up your message on my phone and I’m glad to hear your visiting Amsterdam. Been long time no see and we have a lot to chat about. Its a great time to visit as most of the place will be Orange, there getting ready to start Queens Days celebrations at the end of this month so even happier your still going to be around then. Lots of street parties, markets and drunken Dutch. Will drop a better e-mail later just in a mad rush today.

V

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And two weeks later, again without any advance notice, discussion, negotiation or warning, this arrived …

 

 
From:   Fig
Subject:   nimhneach
Date:   19 April 2009 10:01:58 IST
To:   Lubyanka
 
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hi Lubyanka,

I regret to inform you that you are no longer welcome to Nimhneach.
If you show up you will be turned away at the door.

Regards,
Fig
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The following exchange occurred shortly after the message above, but because I thought the whole thing was finished, I didn’t bother publishing them.   Since I am unfortunately still subject to harassment from these people, I thought that I might as well publish them now, for completeness.

 

 
From:   Lubyanka
Subject:   Re: nimhneach
Date:   20 April 2009 09:18:44 IST
To:   Fig
Cc:   nimhneach@hushmail.com, fetish@fetish.ie, bdsmireland-owner@yahoogroups.com
 
Hello Fig,

Why are you banning me from Nimhneach, and for how long?

Lubyanka.

Lady Lubyanka’s blogfestness
Food, Flogging, and Rubber Chickens
(celebrating the spleen)
featuring Irving as the rubber chicken
http://ladylubyanka.wordpress.com/

Any messages sent to me may be published on my blog.

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From:   Valpone
Subject:   Re: nimhneach
Date:   20 April 2009 12:19:58 IST
To:   Fig, Lubyanka
Cc:   nimhneach@hushmail.com, fetish@fetish.ie, bdsmireland-owner@yahoogroups.com
 
Hello Lubyanka

BDSM Ireland does not run or organise Nimhneach in any way or form.   Please do not include BDSM Ireland in your e-mails.   You would seem to have more than enough e-mail address’s to correspond with the organisers without including ours.

Regards

Valpone

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I was going to say something here about the kind of person who insists on sending repetitive messages, over and over again, which are unrelated to the original content, and which are in reply to messages not addressed to him.
 
But then I thought about all the people who read this blog, and I realised that you are all  quite  clever enough to work out for yourselves  just  what kind of person insists on doing that sort of thing.
 
So I’ll leave you good people to complete the sums for yourselves.   :)

 
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From:   Fig
Subject:   Re: nimhneach
Date:   21 April 2009 16:14:34 IST
To:   Lubyanka
Cc:   fetish@fetish.ie
 
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Lubyanka,

The Nimhneach organisers reserve the right to refuse admission to
anyone who has a detrimental effect on our guests and/or the event
as a whole.

The refusal to admit you to Nimhneach will be enforced indefinitely
from this point onwards.

Regards
Fig
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From:   Lubyanka
Subject:   Re: nimhneach
Date:   21 April 2009 22:24:34 IST
To:   Fig
Cc:   fetish@fetish.ie, nimhneach@hushmail.com, bdsmireland-owner@yahoogroups.com
 
Fig,

On 21 Apr 2009, at 16:14, Fig wrote:

The Nimhneach organisers reserve the right to refuse admission to
anyone who has a detrimental effect on our guests and/or the event
as a whole.

Specifically,
- what is the detrimental effect you are referring to?
- which Nimhneach attendees have been affected by it?
- how have they been affected by it?
- how was the effect on them detrimental?
- how was I connected to or responsible for any of that?

Specifically,
- at which Nimhneach event did the detrimental effect you referred to take place?
- how was that event affected by it?
- how was the Nimhneach event as a whole affected by it?
- how was that effect detrimental to Nimhneach on that occasion?
- how was that effect detrimental to the Nimhneach event as a whole?
- how was I connected to or responsible for any of that?

Where, how, and from whom did you source your information about the detrimental effect you referred to, my contribution to it, and the related consequences thereafter?

If I was responsible for such a detrimental effect on specific Nimhneach, attendees, events, and the Nimhneach event as a whole, why did you say nothing to me about this during my previous two and a half years of attending Nimhneach?

I look forward to your clarification.

Lubyanka.

Lady Lubyanka’s blogfestness
Food, Flogging, and Rubber Chickens
(celebrating the spleen)
featuring Irving as the rubber chicken
http://ladylubyanka.wordpress.com/

Any messages sent to me may be published on my blog.

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From:   Fig
Subject:   Re: nimhneach
Date:   22 April 2009 16:01:56 IST
To:   Lubyanka
Cc:   fetish@fetish.ie
 
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Lubyanka,

Nimhneach organiser’s decisions are final.   No further correspondance will be entered into.

Regards
Fig
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When I think about what negotiation means to me, no matter how I look at it, I cannot fit  fig367’s  message into that definition.   So much for respect for negotiation.   Perhaps he respects negotiation from afar?
 
I was going to say something here about my thoughts on the repeated and persistent assertions that bdsmireland/Nimhneach are completely unrelated and unconnected, despite the fact that the same people run both organisations.   Plus, you know, the two near simultaneous bans, both without reasons given, both against me, both without advance notice, warning, or negotiation.   But I know you don’t need me to spell it all out for you.   I know that all of you are quite smart enough to figure that out all by yourselves.   :)
 
Perhaps some of you could help me.   If anybody out there knows why I was banned from bdsmireland/Nimhneach, then you know more than I do.   Since the bdsmireland/Nimhneach people appear to be less than forthcoming, I’d appreciate any enlightenment you can offer.
 
Thank you for that, and thank you for reading.   :)

 

 
ps:     Perhaps they didn’t want to say why they banned me  -  I’m told that giving reasons such as  “you suck!!“  can sometimes lead people into mistakenly believing that you are unfair, biased, dictatorial, disrespectful and unconsensual.

Who knew …   :p